
1. Ron George (UCSF): I like the idea of attribution. I think it has be done at
the start of the case when GA was initiated
2. Nirav (MPOG Quality DIrector): This does add a little more work for the
site QI champion because providers will reach out with questions why
they had a flagged case in their feedback email. The attribution doesn’t
have to be a single provider - it can be multiple providers.
3. Ashraf Habib (Duke): In regards to records, if they have a labor epidural
that was converted to c-section, then anesthesia start is likely at the
start of the labor epidural and may be a different provider than who is
signed in at the time of the c-section (or when GA is initiated).
4. Josh Younger (Henry Ford-Detroit): would have to agree with that. Our
system is similar to that. Is there value to attribute the obstetrician as
well? In my experience how tolerant they are to wait for the epidural or
spinal to start working may vary.
a. Nirav Shah (MPOG Quality Director): We don’t always have the
surgeon name so would be hard to attribute the obstetrician.
5. Brandon Togioka (OHSU) via chat: I agree. I would attribute to the
provider in the operating room at the time of intubation
6. Ami Attali (Henry Ford) (via chat): Agree , should be at the time of
induction of GETA
7. Wandana Joshi (Dartmouth) : I agree that it should be attributed to the
time of general anesthesia. One of the negative parts of attribution is
that if you have a low rate to begin with, you may be pointing fingers at
people. It may be valuable at sites with a high percentage of general to
see if there is a pattern among those who give GA.
a. Nirav Shah (MPOG Quality Director): There are always systemic
issues involved and so you’re right, you’re never going to get it
down to 0%. We could wait to add this to provider emails to
allow OB leaders and the Quality Champion to explain this to
providers at a departmental level to ensure the culture is there
and ready for this.
8. Dan Biggs (U. Oklahoma) via chat: It should be the person signed in at
induction
9. Dan Biggs (U. Oklahoma): It also depends on what kind of practice you
are in. I am in a high risk unit now and may do three GA in a day, but in
private practice almost never. What we are looking for is the percentage
of failed regionals, which will be hard to get until we can extract that.
10. Christine Warrick (University of Utah): I do worry about focusing on the
number for GA rates so much because the other side of avoiding GA is
getting a lot of sedative meds for a poorly neuraxial block which I think
would be interesting to look at as well.
11. Wandana Joshi (Dartmouth): SOAP has a lot of information out there
under their centers for excellence. In general whether you’re at a high
risk academic center, their guideline is that the rate of GA should be <